tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1263602850797908874.post8569765485414908533..comments2023-10-29T03:43:34.300-07:00Comments on Bread and Roses: Wives, Servants and Middle-Class RabbitsDulce Domumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15835872248177497717noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1263602850797908874.post-87930318752109878692008-10-02T08:23:00.000-07:002008-10-02T08:23:00.000-07:00Hi SarahNo worries!Hi Sarah<BR/>No worries!Dulce Domumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15835872248177497717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1263602850797908874.post-79087352935273989742008-10-02T04:43:00.000-07:002008-10-02T04:43:00.000-07:00Lol, sorry for all the deleted comments. In tryin...Lol, sorry for all the deleted comments. In trying to write in a rush I start to waffle. Hormones probably.<BR/><BR/>Amused that London council banned Beatrix...durn those middle class rabbits!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1263602850797908874.post-14526180046226477872008-10-01T12:33:00.000-07:002008-10-01T12:33:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1263602850797908874.post-28347685452758040022008-10-01T12:30:00.000-07:002008-10-01T12:30:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1263602850797908874.post-15514218506491039622008-10-01T02:45:00.000-07:002008-10-01T02:45:00.000-07:00Hi NanYes, that surprised me too, it's such a grea...Hi Nan<BR/>Yes, that surprised me too, it's such a great book. I didn't know that Pullman was a lapsed Catholic...<BR/><BR/>Hi Marie<BR/>If there are people in the world who can find Beatrix Potter offensive, what hope does John Steinbeck or William Faulkner have?Dulce Domumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15835872248177497717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1263602850797908874.post-43706418465427260762008-09-30T09:26:00.000-07:002008-09-30T09:26:00.000-07:00An interesting post! I remember studying some of ...An interesting post! I remember studying some of those banned books in school. There are many worthwhile books on the banned lists. Perhaps some readers are a mite too easily offended.Marie N.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02358976552469177345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1263602850797908874.post-21646033221404474372008-09-30T09:17:00.000-07:002008-09-30T09:17:00.000-07:00And I just read Indian in the Cupboard is on the l...And I just read Indian in the Cupboard is on the list! I emailed my husband, a junior high teacher, and he thought it was because of the Indian references. One of the best books of all time in my most humble opinion. <BR/>I haven't read Pullman because it isn't my kind of book, but didn't I read somewhere that he used to be Roman Catholic??? Maybe I'm all wrong.Nanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15547916206007733970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1263602850797908874.post-71306419015961298202008-09-30T06:44:00.000-07:002008-09-30T06:44:00.000-07:00Hi SarahOh yes, he's also deeply offended by the e...Hi Sarah<BR/>Oh yes, he's also deeply offended by the end of the Narnia books, the fact that the children die and go to heaven, and their sacrifice is glorified by Lewis. Pullman says this is a kind of macabre lie. It's the reason why he wrote the trilogy, to redress the balance of "Christian propaganda" (this makes me laugh, where is this Christian propaganda in British society/literature? Show me it please, I need to know!). The thing about atheists is that they are often far less tolerant than we Christians! I've read the Pullman books, they're brilliant; humane, a good story, moral (but perhaps not holistically so), and not nearly as offensive as Pullman wants we Christians to believe!lol! The books didn't succeed in killing my faith, and why should they? Would they kill the faith of a child? I suppose it's pretty nasty of him to want to achieve an atheist conversion of a child, but to him he's liberator. I'd definitely let my eldest read him if she wants to. The books are meant for older readers anyway. When she gets older I think it will be important to discuss with her the difference between humanist morality and Christian morality, why faith matters, why we need God, why without Him, however much we *try*, all goodness will be gone in the world, a discussion of His Dark Materials would be a decent starting point.<BR/><BR/>I personally steer clear of books containing gratuitous violence, I can't stomach it. But I do read books which contain s*xual promiscuity, adultery and homos*xuality. I suppose because I feel that decent literature will describe all sorts human failings and compromises. I think a compassionate reading of a well-realised human frailty can be a good thing. I am terribly opposed to cynicism though, the passing off of tragedy as though it were nothing or funny, something to be grinned at. I hate shadenfreude (sp??).<BR/><BR/>However, your point about using discretion is the right one. What is right for my family may not be right for others. <BR/><BR/>So Manchester Uni has gone gender neutral. Why does this not surprise me?Dulce Domumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15835872248177497717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1263602850797908874.post-8452516587281113592008-09-30T06:05:00.000-07:002008-09-30T06:05:00.000-07:00Second attempt...missed out a quote I wanted to in...Second attempt...missed out a quote I wanted to include the first time...<BR/><BR/>Interesting post chuck.<BR/><BR/>Under the law we are entitled to free speech, and whilst I do virulently disagree with Phillip Pullman's self confessed ("my books are about killing God"; "[I am] trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief") mission to prove that God doesn't exist, I know that he has a right under law to share his opinions. Just as on my own little blog I share my own beliefs about God. I would like to protect my children from it though; and should he be allowed to share such an opinion with children? I suppose it is up to parents to decide. At the end of the day he is, whether he likes it or not, in the hands of a God Who judges justly.<BR/><BR/>As for the sexual content of novels, I haven't read any of the books you mention so I can't really comment too deeply. I think though that I would steer clear of a book that even suggested that adultery was acceptable or exciting.<BR/><BR/>Oh and I looove Of Mice and Men - makes me cry.<BR/><BR/>And I agree about Shakespeare, in th'owlden days they were a little more open about the s*xual act...Get thee to a nunnery! ;) Not that I want people to talk about their private activities, I'm quite shy of those sort of conversations! :)<BR/><BR/>On the topic of offensive writing being banned, Manchester University now has 'gender neutral' signs on their toilet doors. They now say 'Toilets' or 'Toilets with urinals' as they try to wipe out 'transphobic' words such as 'ladies' and 'gents'.<BR/><BR/>It's a funny old world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1263602850797908874.post-17898459678103508012008-09-30T06:01:00.000-07:002008-09-30T06:01:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com